Posts by cha ching

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Should a Priest ,Elder ,Pastor withold a crime from the relevant authorities because of a confidential confessional ?

by smiddy in

what do you believe , is a confessional something that is sacred between the the two parties involved ?

or does it depend on the severity of the crime/sin.. or is their a responsability of the recpient of the confession to divulge what he/she knows about the crime.?.

what we see in movies ,tv, etc shows it is a no no .but is that true ?the confessional is only between the two involved.?.

cha ching

Vidiot: :-) Yep, I was there, I remember when, 'some older ones really don't seem to think it's as big a deal as people nowadays do (i.e., "sin" as opposed to "crime").'

Yep, I knew you were just explaining/ not condoning... as I really think people were not aware of the extent child sex abuse existed (maybe more than you even realized, as a lot of people do not even speak about what happened, I know people who haven't, even ex-JWs) People really did not know how much it hurts kids.

That being said...... After all these years, I was recently struck by the simplicity of it all:

Crime is the key word. Child abuse is a crime. Protect other children. Report it to the police.

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How Jehovah’s Witnesses leaders hide child abuse secrets at all costs - Reveal News - December 10, 2016

by jwleaks in

how jehovah's witnesses leaders hide child abuse secrets at all costs.

by trey bundy.

reveal news.

cha ching

Right now WT is paying a $4,000 a day fine for 'not obeying court orders to turn over all their files. Even the "pagan, harlot riding/ beast worshiping, evil Catholic Church turned over theirs.... Tells you something doesn't it?

Even so, what is $4,000 a day to JW's? With alleged 8 million members, it amounts to .0005 cents a day if EACH member ONLY gave a penny every 20 days.

What that say about the value the WT places on a child's life?

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How Jehovah’s Witnesses leaders hide child abuse secrets at all costs - Reveal News - December 10, 2016

by jwleaks in

how jehovah's witnesses leaders hide child abuse secrets at all costs.

by trey bundy.

reveal news.

cha ching

Trey asks, "Why don't the FBI or police just storm the doors, and take the files?" and Irwin replies, 'because these are 'civil suits' and not criminal ones, o/w they could get a search warrant.'

Why are these 'civil suits'? Because they happened so long ago, the statute of limitations has run out, they cannot prosecute them as 'criminal.'

That would all change if someone comes forth right after it happens... Let's hope someone is going to, and then we will see what happens!

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Article in Spanish translated into non-Google English: "I was a Jehovah's Witness pastor"

by AndersonsInfo in

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http://cronicaglobal.elespanol.com/vida/yo-fui-pastor-de-los-testigos-de-jehova_64471_102.html.

in english below:.

"i was a jehovah’s witness pastor"

cha ching

"They have modified merely aesthetic aspects, always omitting, unequivocally, the need to report all sexual abuse to minors."

Thank you, Barbara & Joe, I am glad that this article got translated, and it is heartening to see how concise this ex-JW is in explaining the situation. Juan is able to answer these questions briefly and movingly in depth:

"This is a franchise-worship that manages billions of dollars around the world. Under the guise of a particular Adventism, modified over the years by the different prophets of the Watch Tower, it has conditioned the personal and social life of hundreds of thousands of people, causing them serious problems."

This is a dose of reality to all who read it, maybe less people in Spain will be fooled by the "sincere" people who come to their door.

I hope the United States follows Australia's and England's and Spain's courageous examples.

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Should a Priest ,Elder ,Pastor withold a crime from the relevant authorities because of a confidential confessional ?

by smiddy in

what do you believe , is a confessional something that is sacred between the the two parties involved ?

or does it depend on the severity of the crime/sin.. or is their a responsability of the recpient of the confession to divulge what he/she knows about the crime.?.

what we see in movies ,tv, etc shows it is a no no .but is that true ?the confessional is only between the two involved.?.

cha ching

It's funny, I was just thinking of starting a thread like this myself. After sifting, sifting, sifting, reading, reading, reading... getting use to reality, I wanted to ask:

What does the word "crime" mean?

Don't people report "crimes" to the police?

In JW world, if someone had their house broken into, and were robbed, would they call the police? or an elder? would they call the "Society first?"

Which "crime" is worse? Robbery? or child abuse?

Not reporting a "crime" is like giving a criminal permission to keep going & going, committing more crimes, hurting more people.

Child abuse hurts people mentally, it takes away their childhood, it puts them in fear, traumatizes them.

Crime is the key word. Child abuse is a crime. Report it to the police.

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Are they beating us ???? According to Matt. 24:48..

by tor1500 in

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it occurred to me the other day...the society is loading us up on all types of ways to reach others....jw.org, all types of literature, all types of different ideas, maybe you could use the tools jehovah gave us this way or perhaps you can use it that way, maybe you can volunteer, maybe you can go where the need is greater, maybe you can give more $$$, maybe you can give more time, maybe you can look at how you can be in the ministry more, maybe you can meditate more, maybe you can do this or that for your family study, maybe you can talk to a seasoned witness & find out how they.....& i know there are tons of other things maybe we can do....or yes, forgot this one, maybe you can quit your job....then maybe you can get some rest, because you can't serve jehovah when you are tired.

how can you get more rest if, you don't have no money to live indoors...anyway, with all these maybe's we can do..... it came to my mind that the gb isn't here as of yet & it seems the org.

is pressing the friends for bible studies...they are saying....we are giving you all these tools & so why are you not getting bible studies or return visits...it's almost as if they are brow-beating us...do more because the society has given you more...it's not us, folks just ain't listening to us at the door any more....they are not even opening up the door.

cha ching

"Maybe you could".....

Hey, GB.... maybe you could stop asking for money!

Maybe YOU could go to work and support us!

Maybe YOU could build us a K Hall with YOUR money, your time, your energy then put it in our names? for free?

lol.....

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My mother's treatment. Unreal.

by quellycatface in

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i disassociated myself 3 years ago but have never told my mother, as she lives quite a distance from me in the uk.

i've have told her that i no longer go to meetings, neither does my son, who is 16.. i haven't seen her for 3 1/2 years.

i offered to come visit this week but she was incredibly offhand with me and said she couldn't meet with me today as she was on the ministry!!

cha ching

Cults & high control religions hurt so many people in so many ways. The "two most important commandments: 'love God & love your neighbor as yourself' somehow are not thought the most important anymore.... It's "do you view the GB as God's representatives on earth" and "do you go to all the meetings"

As much as we don't want this to affect us, my mom does the same to me & I am not DF'd... just don't 'go', and I still cannot understand how a "mother" can do this to a child. So sad.

Hugs to you quelly, glad to know that you have a wife and child who love you.

cha ching!

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Was kidnap victim Sherri Papini a JW?

by NikL in

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sherri papini is that woman kidnapped in california and released on thanksgiving day making the news right now.. during one of the reports this morning on the today show there was a quick scene of an investigation going on at a kingdom hall.

there was crime tape up and everything.

credit goes to my wife for catching it.. i just wondered why the kingdom hall was a crime scene when she was abducted and released somewhere else?anybody else catch this?.

cha ching

Jaydee! good one " I like that! "overlapping stakes"!

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My presentation (new one here!)

by Skepsis in

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i registered in the board and i wanted to present myself.. i used to visit this forum some time ago and even register an account but then i tried to convince myself all was ok in the congregation.

now, i'm coming back :).

i live in a southern european nation, i'm a young jw, a good example in the congregation serving as a regular pioneer and ms. for all in the congregation i'm the good guy, one of the best examples in the area i live.

cha ching

Dear Skepsis.... Have you ever seen the movie "The Truman Show"? An insurance salesman/ adjuster discovers his life is just a TV show...

Can you imagine? All the people around you are actors and actresses, playing a nonsensical game. Would you worry about "fading" out of the TV show? What value did your life have?

What I like is what this guy did to escape "The Show"..... He didn't announce "I AM LEAVING" He faked everyone out, and escaped.

When I was leaving, I said, "Hey, this all is worth nothing, it is a game, a made up game"..... So, to keep everyone off my back, and give me time.... I just started entering hours on my "Time Report"!

If you want to "Keep pioneering", just write the hours in, and do something better with your time, and none will be the wiser!

If You Could Ask the GB Or One Of Its Members...

by Cold Steel in

...one question about anything and get a straight answer, what would it be?

historical, philosophical, theological, eschatological, anything.

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cha ching

Vidiot..... so you know?

I mean, I always supposed it was a business, and the people are wealthy.... but WHO are they? I would reallllllly like to know ;-)